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- Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:40 pm
- Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film & Popular Culture
- Topic: Was Ava J-Conscious in the Movie, "Ex Machina?" (Spoiler)
- Replies: 1
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Was Ava J-Conscious in the Movie, "Ex Machina?" (Spoiler)
This isn't about the bicameral mind, but about Jaynes's definition of consciousness. In Ex Machina , Nathan (Ava's inventor) used Caleb to find out if he'd succeeded in making a conscious AI. He told Caleb to conduct a Turing test on Ava, but in reality Caleb was just an unwitting prop whose only pu...
- Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:05 pm
- Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film & Popular Culture
- Topic: Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westworld"
- Replies: 2
- Views: 20495
Re: Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westwor
Westworld's secret philosophy: What is the Bicameral Mind? I think the narrator gets it pretty much right except at the end, when he says that the last stage of the breakdown of the bicameral mind is when the person stops thinking of the voice in his head as God. But actually, I think Jaynes said t...
- Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:03 am
- Forum: 1.01. Hypothesis One: Consciousness Based On Language | Subtopic: Consciousness & Dreams
- Topic: Dreams and J-Consciousness
- Replies: 4
- Views: 32689
Dreams and J-Consciousness
I saw this article ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3451976/What-dogs-dream-Researchers-say-canines-similar-sleep-patterns-owners-s-easy-spot-twitch-run-whimper.html ) about dogs and dreaming, and it made me wonder about what kind of dreams bicameral man might have experienced. Accor...
- Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:15 pm
- Forum: 3.0. Hypothesis Three: Dating the Development of Consciousness
- Topic: Best Translation of Homer's Iliad
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24433
Re: Best Translation of Homer's Iliad
Never mind--I found it here: https://www.julianjaynes.org/resources/ ... tory-note/
Should'a looked around a bit before asking!
Should'a looked around a bit before asking!
- Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:25 pm
- Forum: 3.0. Hypothesis Three: Dating the Development of Consciousness
- Topic: Best Translation of Homer's Iliad
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24433
Best Translation of Homer's Iliad
Jaynes points to Homer's Iliad as an example of a story about and by pre-conscious people. There are a number of different translations. I suspect some are more faithful to the original than others. I was hoping for a recommendation on the one that best illustrates what Jaynes was pointing to. Any s...
- Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:26 pm
- Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film & Popular Culture
- Topic: Under the Skin
- Replies: 1
- Views: 16193
Under the Skin
I recently watched Under the Skin , which came out in 2013. It's described as an "arthouse science fiction" flick. I've read multiple interpretations of it. About a year before I saw it I'd read The Origin Of Consciousness In the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind . It made quite an impressio...
- Fri May 23, 2014 10:12 pm
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: Welcome / Introductions
- Replies: 35
- Views: 105634
Re: Welcome / Introductions
Well, there's life here yet! Thanks for the replies. I agree that the technical challenge would be the most difficult. But if bicameral minds are possible, I think it could eventually be made to work. Granted, it might take multiple iterations to get there. I think you'd have to create a kind of ref...
- Wed May 07, 2014 7:55 am
- Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
- Topic: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind
- Replies: 7
- Views: 26866
Re: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind
Koch says: An even more far-fetched idea holds that consciousness emerged only a few thousand years ago, when humans realized that the voices in their head came not from the gods but from their own internal spoken narratives. This seems like a misrepresentation of the Theory. If I understand correct...
- Wed May 07, 2014 7:30 am
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: Welcome / Introductions
- Replies: 35
- Views: 105634
Re: Welcome / Introductions
Hello All (I say "all" with a tinge of irony--pretty quiet around here), I just finished Origin after coming across a reference to it for the first time recently. Now I'm starting in on Reflections . Jaynes's theory is fascinating! I can't say I'm 100% convinced, but a lot of things do mak...